Demons

[Troll Forged]

Well, My thoughts on his were due to the fact the evil within had began to turn his form. May be parts of his original form are left but a lot is becoming tainted or disfigured from the earth, or hell he resides in. Also his fall from the heavens might have destroyed or ruined quite a bit of it from the fall. I'll think more about it. I like your ideas, and pale seems right to me. Almost so plae you can see the veins in his skin. Vampire like.

So I guess my next question is, are you set on certain looks specificly? I assumed these were from the Scrior idea and that they were manifestations, thus the additions of the nightmarish parts I added.

[Philip S]

Mar 16, 2009 13:44:06 GMT -5 Troll Forged said:

Well, My thoughts on his were due to the fact the evil within had began to turn his form. May be parts of his original form are left but a lot is becoming tainted or disfigured from the earth, or hell he resides in. Also his fall from the heavens might have destroyed or ruined quite a bit of it from the fall. I'll think more about it. I like your ideas, and pale seems right to me. Almost so plae you can see the veins in his skin. Vampire like.

Yeah, kinda perfect but not.

Eyes may be key, perhaps silver eyes like mirrors would be cool, or black cornea and white iris with silver flecks.

Mar 16, 2009 13:44:06 GMT -5 Troll Forged said:

So I guess my next question is, are you set on certain looks specificly? I assumed these were from the Scrior idea and that they were manifestations, thus the additions of the nightmarish parts I added.

As is it for Sciror you are correct in your assumption - there would be many manifestations of this concept, there is not one Lucifer as in a 'deity', a actually 'being', this one lives in the mind of humanity and manifests where humans gather in the billions.

You could have a hundred 'Lucifer' running about at any one time and each looking different but each characteristically 'Lucifer'.

I image the words of Lucifer charm as they speak of overcoming nature and taking charge of our own destiny, of leaving an archaic 'god' behind and forging our own path. That we have free will and we should use it. His gifts are things like advanced science, of defeating death and cancer, and forbidden knowledge, or anything else that goes against nature, even business.

Obviously this is not Lucifer of the bible, but it could be through of as a derivative of those concepts, born anew for a sci-fi setting (or fantasy setting).

So anything from and super-model with wings to a smouldering skinless being with wing stumps. But he, or even she, has the same message of change, of 'pride', of rising up and being the best we can be.

Or so my thoughts go at this moment in time...

Philip

[wormwood]

For a long time, my concepts of angelic skins have been either metallics or internally luminous like the surface of a lightbulb. I think Lucifer having a chrome finish from head to toe would be awesome.

[Philip S]

Mar 24, 2009 11:26:31 GMT -5 wormwood said:

For a long time, my concepts of angelic skins have been either metallics or internally luminous like the surface of a lightbulb. I think Lucifer having a chrome finish from head to toe would be awesome.

Sounds good, and I like your lighbulb.

I had a similar idea for the Emperor thumb on this page: Of Ghods and Primarchs. I wanted an inner light and golden skin.

I would like to mess with the usually preconceptions of what such beings would look like, that even the Angels are not really human and a bit creepy

Philip

[Troll Forged]

A slight glow producing the feint sign of bones in a darker shade would be cool. Like holding a flash light up to your palm and seeing the insides show through.

Chrome would be nice but X-men and silver surfer ruined that color for me, may be a bronze or golden color instead?

[Philip S]

Pearlescent white/ silvered skin mix with iridescent black-green wings?

Reminds me of a sketch I have somewhere of a lion version of Pegasus for my Amazons: The Fonn. I imagined the winged lion to have golden fur and iridescent black-green wings...

Ah the dreams...

;D

Philip

[malika]

We might want to keep our eyes on PondaNagura's stuff. Not only is he an excellent artist, he is also working on some sort of paper on Chaos/Daemons/Marines and such. It's something of a reinterpretation, very similar to what we are trying to do with Sciror and SITA. I think it would be very interesting if we could exchange ideas or perhaps even get him to join our project.

[Technoscream]

Mar 2, 2009 2:43:45 GMT -5 Philip S said:

Like Leonardo da Vinci drawings and old medical anatomy books?
Philip

I love that style, I've even used it before for my robot designs!

[Philip S]

Oct 18, 2009 12:19:35 GMT -5 Technoscream said:

I love that style, I've even used it before for my robot designs!

That looks really nice. It reminds me (a bit) of the Tachikoma from GITS, but without the fat arse.

Are those legs folded up on themselves? Do they fold out, and extend?

Philip

[malika]

Lets get back to this topic shall we!

We are reliving history. What if we are re-building the medieval times in a somewhat different form, more specifically the witch/daemon hunters from that time who might have old tomes filled with schematics and such of those creatures! These guys would travel from world to world trying to find these monster. Not so much part of a larger organisation or what not, more something done from a personal passion?

As for the daemons themselves, how different are they from angels? In the end of the day it's all about which sides you pick. An angel to one might be a daemon to somebody else. By the way, did you read The First Heretic by Aaron Demski Bowden? It was quite interesting to see how the Word Bearers decided to join Chaos, it's not so much as 'muhahahaha we're gonna become the bad guys' but more that enlightenment/salvation that could only be obtained by fusing with these creatures.

Food for thought...

[Philip S]

I think you are right. I prefer a more complex interplay of motives than the old 'good vs evil' shtick, with it simple morality. It is far more interesting to give all sides a good reason for their actions, something players can get behind.

As for Angels and Demons, I think that would be down to the Players, and the humans within the population, to classify the manifestations as such. I will avoid classifying them as 'evil' or 'good', and instead explain their motives, along with a modus operandi.

For example, in 40K the chaos gods are 'evil' (these days), but some authors are starting to try and give a little depth to their followers, moving from the simple 'possession' of the weak mind, and more towards corruption via pure motives and reasonable choices. I see this as corruption by our own emotions - not chaos.

A god like Nurgle could be seen as all about 'despair', and as being 'evil', but I made an argument it is more about the emotions of change from despair into joy though internal change and perspective ('glee' is also an emotion associated with the followers of Nurgle). Nurgle becomes a god of rebirth, and as such it is not really 'evil' more a ugly mother nature personified.

In a similar light I would like to see the Angels and Demons given 'character' and a way of going about things that are both 'evil' and 'good' depending on which side of the fence you happen to be on.

For example, using my version of Nurgle the most obvious 'evil' is the end of life and the growth of new life from the corpse (recycled), but the 'good' aspect could be seen as pregnancy, and birth, the changes in the mind of a woman, and man, during this time. The emotions felt. Yet in the grand cycle we all know the children will replace the parents, the parents time is running out.

While Sciror beasties are not feed by emotions like in 40K, but driven by the power of he Infinity, I hope it gives an illustration of where I am coming from. That even the most foul 'god' could have some very strong and positive aspects.

Philip

[malika]

Maybe we should give these kind of creatures a different type of designation, perhaps something like 'psimorph'? In character these would be designated as aliens, daemons, angels, etc. But all of them as Psimorphs.

Morality can then be added to them if desired, but generally they are rather complex (not just good or evil), perhaps they could be even more complex than normal humans since they also have to deal with all these powers they have.

[malika]

Mar 2, 2009 2:43:45 GMT -5 Philip S said:

Mar 1, 2009 14:45:55 GMT -5 Troll Forged said:

That sounds like a very good idea and I can not wait for the day I can own a copy. Yellow parchment paper with diagrams is a very cool idea, what about possible old blue print type drawings on yellowed paper as well? Might be interesting to make some ships or vehicles in that fashion, or even demon anatomy or inside shots that way.

Like Leonardo da Vinci drawings and old medical anatomy books?

Sounds like fun

Philip

Oi! Check this out!

[malika]

techgnotic.deviantart.com/journal/Possessional-Demonology-335227308

[abbysdad]

Anyone here ever see the print's from "Barlowe's Inferno" or read the novel "God's Demon"?

It's a very different take on things and with amazing illustrations.